Sunday, July 7, 2013

Breaking away from the pack

 At Wednesday's Town of Cape Vincent Town Board meeting Councilman Schneider made a motion that a letter be sent to BP project developer Richard Chandler and the Public Service Commission, concerning an incident that occurred at a recent BP open house. Mr. Schneider explained that the letter had already been reviewed by TOCV Attorney Paul Curtin, and he proposed that the letter be sent with Attorney Curtin’s signature on it.

Councilman Bragdon seconded the motion.
 During the discussion phase of the motion the other board members shared their thoughts about the letter.

"I think I can find myself uh, breaking away from the pack on this one." 
"This is not town business,"  Said councilman Byrne.

 "I do support the letter, but I support it if it is sent by Curtin and it’s under his signature," Said Supervisor Hirschey.

 "I certainly would like to see the letter from Paul Curtin before, I’m not gonna vote
on something that I haven’t seen," Added councilwoman Oswald.


Video of discussion below.
  

  

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

"I certainly would like to see the letter from Paul Curtin before, I’m not gonna vote
on something that I haven’t seen," Added councilwoman Oswald.
Now she has to look the supporters of a marginal candidate in the eye and claim she never saw it. I think she did. A turning point and a sure sign that his elecion is a shoe in for the CFG.
Last year, I had the chance to vote for a bad candidate or vote for wind. I will take a pass on supporter her and Byrnes again.

Anonymous said...

Since the letter from the attorney had not yet been written, how could Ms Oswald have seen it?

Anonymous said...

Mr. Schneider explained that the letter had already been reviewed by TOCV Attorney Paul Curtin, and he proposed that the letter be sent with Attorney Curtin’s signature on it.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Schneider has every right now to send the letter on is own. It appears that he was verbally and physically assaulted at a Bp Open House. Oswald and Byrne have a right to their political choices and it appears that their political choice is not to support Urban and Clif.

Anonymous said...

How can you people live with yourself. Two of your councilmen were harassed by two low life's and you can't come to their support. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. It's time to elect real people with some balls and get the two losers out of office. You'll support a letter signed only by an attorney, wow.

Anonymous said...

Didn't Mr. Hershey also say he would support the letter if sent by the attorney? Why single out Byrne's and Oswald?

Anonymous said...

Look at the video again.

Clif Schneider was very clear that Curtain had already
reviewed the letter. Oswald had the letter
and read it and knew about it., too. It should have been voted
on then.

Byryne said it would be better to send a
personal letter which was a clear indication that
he was willing to throw Clif under the bus. He and Oswald
have amused the CFG by doing the same thing before.

Urban said he reviewed the letter and
would support it if sent by Curtain. Which is exactly what
the should have done right there and then.

Which would make it a Curtain letter. Since it was clear
that Curtain had read and reviewed it and perhaps even
contributed to it there could have been a vote right there.
The Pandora video shows an angry CFG crowd of the CFG
Good team members willing to support their community against thuggery
would have sensed that and supported their team member.

Brooks was called names and accused as well
but seems to be fine with being treated that way
by nasty people. Have they finally beat him into submission
with the spreading of nasty rumors?

What happened here was exactly what Byrne said
and Pandora has printed.

"I think I can find myself breaking away from the pack
on this one"

Nothing more, nothing less.

It appears to me and others who told about the meeting that Mr. Schneider has become the target here of the CFG and Oswald and Byrne have assisted them by falling into their political trap.

The CFG makes no bones about wanting to drive out our part timers, attacking zoning, enforcement and home rule and above all doing anything they can to make Schneider look bad since everyone knows that he and Hirschey are the ones who spend the most time along with the Article X committee in keeping up to date daily with the PSC.

If like me, you are away from your Cape Vincent home alot But it is the home you love and want to protect your investment then you better make sure Hirschey is elected or you will see BP and their CFG crush this town.

The CFG knows what happened at the Bp office. Clif and Brooks knows what happened.
The CFG will do anything, even lie to protect Chandler. Oswald and Byrne don't have to lie, all they have to do is approve the letter.

Clif Schneider should defend himself. If the guy grabbed him, file a police report because your Byrne and Oswald have taken the side of the CFG.

Anonymous said...

Curtin cannot send the letter as his own because it didn't happen to him. It would HAVE to be rewritten.

Anonymous said...

Yikes !!!!
What video did you watch? That is delusional.
I just looked at the video.
Lawyers depend on their client to provide the information. According to Clif in the video, HE ALREADY DID THAT!
Clif also said it had been reviewed by Curtin.
Purposeully or as a result of incompetence Clif was sandbagged.
Just a guess, but I think the next assault by the CFG will be an open attack calling Schneider a lier in the Bp open house deal. And Oswald and Byrne along with Bragdon's pussy footing will be used to substantiate that mantra.

Anonymous said...

Don't be discouraged. There is a very strong movement watching the A ten process. Without Oswald, Bragdon and Byrne, that will continue on. WPEG is a stakeholder with intervening funds and multi community backing. I think they are sitting back and well prepared to protect the Thousand Islands.
Any loss by Oswald and Bragdon will not change the history of what the DEC, Save the River, Bill Owens, the Department of Public Service and many others have contributed to the PSC in their objections to the very weak and inadequate Bp Scoping Statement.
Life is life and Bp has control over the CFG who have sold out their community. They will solicit dirty people to do their dirty jobs. Watch the videos from the last TB meetings and you will see what I mean.

Anonymous said...

WOW!! An 86 yr.old gentleman wants answer to some question that have been asked at several meetings and the board refusing to give answers. If Clif is representing the board why does he walk away from people who question what's the Town Board doing on different issues. Another man ask when are you going to get it threw your head, article 10 is here and turbines will be too. Isn't time the board start making a list of wants for the town from BP if there is a chance this man maybe right? Clif's answer is I will fight this til the end.In other words he doesn't care how much of our tax dollars he uses on lawyers or anything eles he needs to spend to get his way. I understand fighting it if you don't want it,but shouldn't he be opened minded to the fact that they might be here and work on trying to get the most for the town.After all thats what he was elected to do.
By the way if the former board sent a letter every time they were harassed by the public, they would be still sending them. Let's talk about being harassed and assaulted and the first name that comes to mind is H.C. and thats on video and many people witnessed that at an open meeting. You have no proof of this altercation happened only Clif and Brooks word and we know what their word means.I wasn't there,I'm only going on hear say. But I did witness a lot of the harassment at the former town board meetings and a lot of that harassment was done by none other than Clif,John and Michelle and Hester and they all sit on a board now and Clif. So all I can say is you reap what you sow Clif.

Anonymous said...

8:31 what a hypocrite! you have no problem mentioning Clif, Brooks, Michelle,John,Urban, all by name as you taint their reputations with your political vitriol, yet you try to paint this unnamed "86 year old gentleman" as a benign,wronged citizen who just wants some answers to his questions.

What bullshit!

Anonymous said...

(: Anon 9:08
Well someone peed in your cheerios! The names I mentioned are free game,aren't they. Isn't that what these blogs are for? Tainting people reputations,isn't this what some of these folks did and are still trying to do to our former board members and anyone that dares speak against this regime. Hasn't these blogs been preaching right to free speech? They put themselves out there when they ran for seats on the board. Isn't that what I have read on these blogs about former board members.
The gentleman I'm talking about is Bud Constance. Does that make you feel better? This gentleman is just one of the good old boys that made this town what it (is) WAS. These good old boys are what made Cape Vincent a great place to live.They kept this town going while a lot of you moved out made your living elsewhere and then decided to come back and retire here. Why did you move back if Cape is full of thugs,corrupt,greedy people. Bud has done more for this town in 1 year,then most of you have done in 10. You just don't like it because he tells it the way it is and doesn't cower to Clif. Clif walks around like everyone should bow and kiss his feet.
I never mentioned Urbans name. I guess you're going to have to get use to someone peeing in your cheerios as long as Clif is running this town. I feel Michelle and Brooks are doing a good job. At least they are not afraid to stand up and question things that are thrown at them and they don't quite agree with or wants more information about. Now I will mention Urban. He is Clif's puppet. Clif pulls all the strings and Urban is the yes man. John is probably Clif's other puppet most of the time. Once in awhile he will stray from Clif's strings and rules.

Anonymous said...

Several years ago their was a physical scuffle at a Coalition meeting in the Cape. Pro wind attended. A pro wind guy did not want to pass papers. The anti wind guy went over, passed the papers, was said to have tap the guy on the shoulder with them. As the anti wind guy walked away the pro wind guy took him down from behind. It took four men to get him off. The pro wind guy has described himself to the courts as a Voter for Wind and member of the CFG.

Are these actions this all part of the British Petroleum PSC Public Information Program?

If anyone grabbed the town Councilman, the councilman should make out a police report.

The proof of whether it happened would be to interview Chandler, Bragdon, Trieste and other people in the room.

Easy enough.

Anonymous said...

12:10 I couldn't agree with you more.Mr. Edsall should have called the cops on Hester assaulting him. When Mr. Edsall adjourned the meeting and he and his wife tried to leave Hester stepped in front of Mr. Edsall and ran her chest into him to stop him leaving,and her brother with his young daughter in his arms stepped in front of Mrs. Edsall and blocked her way of leaving. That is on video!!
Furthermore every time you tell the story of Ebbing(or whatever his name is) and Frank it gets a little more outlandish. First and foremost Mr. Ebbing should of kept his hands to himself he had no right to touch Frank or any other person. Whether it be on the shoulder or head and in this case it was on the head. If it had been as bad as you're claiming,why didn't either man press charges.

Anonymous said...

Let's make a deal

Bp.Voters for Wind, CFG and Democratic leaders all seem to agree that their wind project is harmless and actually raise land values.
Their would be no risk for them to buy out any homeowner or landowner who does not want to live in a wind farm.

Bp has billions. So why not set up a buyback program at the wind office. If you want out of the community, then the wind company can buy your property. Perfect time since CV is doing a re-val. Part of the PILOT can be a waiver of all the involved transaction fees so their is no cost to the homeowner. Moving expenses would ice the cake.

Chandler claims he has the support of the community so there should be no risk on Bp's part.

Bp and Voters for Wind get rid of the opposition, the opposition is made whole and it is a win-win for everybody. Of course those who have already signed with Bp are already bound by their decision so they would be happy too.

Give the Cape landowners two years to make their decision. This would heal the community.